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Post by Elite Sim News (ESN) on Jan 18, 2010 8:45:04 GMT -5
Wow. Cherni, didn't I tell you to have a talk with this kid before the WJCs? I'm not going to post the video of Cormier's elbow on Tam because I'm not sure how you guys feel about kids convulsing on the ice. It's out there if you want to see it (if you haven't already). Hopefully Tam recovers soon. Scary stuff though.
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Post by Detroit Cherni on Jan 18, 2010 12:39:49 GMT -5
Scary yes. I haven't seen the video as we speak, but stuff happens. I know the only reason why Patrick Roy is wanting the Police involved is to get a little pay back, so to speak, for his own son being charged after a brawl, where his son was suspended heavily. Patrick Roy, is no Saint. He's the first who would go out and look for retribution. He beats to his own drummer, and he's the type of guy who feels if he's been wronged, he'll find something in his power to get pay back.
Now this doesn't apply to the health of Tam. Which we all hope he's going to be okay. Head shots are ugly. But like I said to you before Gorbs, Canadians are the type of hockey players where we'd elbow our own mother's in the head if it meant winning a game, and a championship. Part of the game.
Yes, I am old school about things like that. But what you need to do Gorbs is look back at the games before the Instigator Penalty, to see that these types of head shots were far and very few between when players were policing themselves. All these leagues, from the NHL down, have made so many rules, that they've forgotten to let the players police themselves. Which is why, in their hey day, players like Gretzky and Lemieux never got clocked. Now, everyone's a target.
Imagine what a guy like Crosby or Ovechkin could do if they had more room to skate because the enforcers held players like Avery and Ott in check. There's no intimidation in hockey anymore, which has totally cut down on the amount of respect players have for one another. That's what I don't like.
And unfortunately, this is where you get situations like this one.
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Post by Detroit Cherni on Jan 18, 2010 13:28:25 GMT -5
UPDATE!!!!
Just saw the video on TSN. Now that was UGLY. I stand behind what I said above, but that was just plain UGLY.
I'd say he's gone for the year.
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Post by ColumbusGM on Jan 18, 2010 17:15:08 GMT -5
I do have to ask...why? lol
He seems to be very, very wild...no idea why he'd just go straight after him like that...crazy.
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Post by torontogm on Jan 18, 2010 18:50:02 GMT -5
That hit makes me ashamed to be a hockey fan... there is NO place for that in hockey anywhere, anytime. Good Canadian hockey is win "at all costs", but there is also something called honour that this kid has totally not learned - the all costs refer to self-sacrifice - blocking a shot, taking on a behemoth that outweighs you by three weight classes to fire up your club, getting smoked into the boards to make a play - not sacrificing an opponent with a dirty hit. I agree somewhat with Dave's assessment about the instigator rule, but in this case if I was Cormier's teammate I'd be wanting to deck him. I've played in leagues with kids like this that are all about laying someone out and not thinking about the ramifications of what they are doing. Scary... no common sense at all. Hits like that show no regard for your opponent, your team, or your sport. Once again, this will make sportscasts and newscasts that otherwise do not usually give much attention to hockey. Cormier just got his 15 minutes of fame - I sincerely hope that he gets no more. He may be talented, but plays like that deserve bad kharma - I wish nothing bad on Cormier other than a suspension that is long enough to keep him out of any bonafide hockey leagues including the NHL. Oh, and a conscience that tortures him for a good long while for what he has done.
I hope Tam is okay and Cormier spends a LONG time at home thinking about what a fool he is. There was nothing human about that hit, let alone Canadian.
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Post by Detroit Cherni on Jan 18, 2010 19:02:48 GMT -5
More importantly, how'd you like to be the coach and management of Rouyn-Noranda who gave up a big part of their future to land Cormier for a possible Memorial Cup run, and he does this? I expect he's gone the rest of this year, as he's suspended indefinitely for right now.
Ugly hit. I won't agree with Jade by saying it's made me ashamed to be a hockey fan. What I didn't like was nobody on the Remparts jumping Cormier and beating the tar out of him. They didn't do much.
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Post by torontogm on Jan 18, 2010 19:15:58 GMT -5
I think this was one of those times where Tam's teammates were too stunned... maybe even in shock. This was also one of those rare times where that probably wouldn't have been the right call, anyways. It could have interfered with getting Tam the medical attention he instantly needed. I'd imagine his coach was talking to his team about not retaliating so that they didn't get caught up in the emotion of the play and do something stupid themselves. This reflected on Cormier, and he was grabbed pretty quickly by the officials. The Remparts players probably knew going after another Rouyn player would not really prove anything as I doubt if any of Cormier's teammates would support a hit like that. I sure hope not.
As for the management, totally agree.. they're probably banging their heads against their desks at the moment.
And finally... I'll retract the ashamed to be a hockey fan comment (thanks for the wake-up call on that, Dave)... I'll always be proud of our great game, which is why such a stupid hit like this makes my blood boil. It tarnishes an otherwise amazing sport.
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Post by Carolina GM on Jan 18, 2010 19:20:31 GMT -5
This is a hit that deserves a suspension for at least the rest of the season and a huge fine to the Junior team and coach.
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Post by Elite Sim News (ESN) on Jan 18, 2010 19:42:44 GMT -5
Cherni, I COMPLETELY agree with you regarding the instigating penalty. I think there's a complete lack of respect between players out there now compared to years past. I know everyone in this league and around the hockey loving world appreciate the physical aspect of the game, but blatant elbows to the head just can't be tolerated.
I didn't want to come on here today and blast Cormier for his stupidity. I do enjoy his game and think he has a good deal of potential. However, seeing him pull this TWICE in pre-tournament action, to a lesser degree mind you, and now this is alarming. I hope the young man realizes that good, clean, aggressive hockey is great, but there are lines that just can't be crossed.
Having said all that, it's very easy to forget that we are talking about kids playing a game. Unfortunately there are going to be ugly incidents when you are dealing with kids. I would have to think he won't be playing again this season, and like you Cherni, I thought about the management in Rouyn-Noranda. It's just an ugly situation for everyone involved, and one that should have never happened in the first place.
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Post by formerDevilsGM on Jan 19, 2010 12:28:35 GMT -5
Canadians are the type of hockey players where we'd elbow our own mother's in the head if it meant winning a game, and a championship. Part of the game.
How the hell is that hit part of the game Dave? I dont think I go as far as to say I am embarrased to be a hockey fan but a hit like that is an emberrasment to the game. I like how Dave tries to spin it as a hit was not done in competive spirit. nothing can be done about injuries happening in competition cause they always will, but there are rules to the game, I dont see instigator rule stopping this from happening at all. There is no justifying whatsover needed for this hit, it was with intent to hurt, anytime you throw and Elbow at another person's dome you are doing it with intent to severly hurt that person.
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