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Post by ex-BluesGM on Nov 8, 2008 22:11:33 GMT -5
I don't think reality was needed. But we'll see how it ultimately effects the league... hopefully it'll continue to get better.
Jack, I too read your thread as if you felt the BOD wasn't doing the job right. "new blood" seemed to mean "turn over" an idea of adding a GM rep to the BOD isn't a bad one.... though technically all BOD members are GMs too.
As for my comments on hoarding and the "flush" helping teams out that don't deserve it.... that had nothing to do with you at all. Or anyone in this thread. Jack you've always been involved & from what I can tell have handled the Flyers responsibly. I won't come on here and call out spefic GMs. Cause frankly it wouldn't be fair. Hell I can't say that one team was run poorly.. People take gambles in real life sports too and sometime they don't pay off. I just don't think GMs that gambled and lost should be bailed out- however inadvertentantly.
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Post by coloradogm on Nov 9, 2008 8:32:17 GMT -5
Well, I guess there are bailouts in real life too, as we have seen our own government provide welfare to companies whose CEOs have managed their organizations poorly to "save" the economy.
You cannot get much more realistic than that.
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Post by ex-BluesGM on Nov 9, 2008 11:10:05 GMT -5
And much like in real life we should be making sure that those who caused the issues are held accountable... Cause I'm sure that's how its working on wallstreet, right?... He said sarcastically.
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Post by coloradogm on Nov 17, 2008 17:14:11 GMT -5
Any thoughts about migrating to the STHS? I don't think we would have nearly the issues we have the antiquated FHL sim
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Post by Anaheim GM on Nov 18, 2008 14:05:23 GMT -5
Personally, I think anyone who believes wholesale changes are needed to be made to make the NsHL great should have their head examined.
First of all, the ENTIRE constitution, gameplay, financial model, and transaction list (trading amongst ourselves) would be completely forfeited if we chose another simulator. In short, the entire history of the NsHL would be erased as it would have NO relevance to a new simulator product (that has an entirely different way of approaching a simulated hockey game).
Statistics would become obsolete and our records would be null and void (Since merging two different simulation products with different characteristics would yield unrealistic numbers). Essentially we would need to start completely over from scratch.
In order to switch to a new product an entirely new financial model, set of Constitutional bi-laws, and created player list would need to be created. It took Mike, Nate, Tony, Adam, and myself (along with the help of other interested parties) nearly 5 straight months of meeting two or three times a week to create what we have now (a product that needed very little tweaking to be successful and has provided SERIOUS fun to 30 GMs for over 5 years).
Now, it's easy to sit here, type it all out that we need a new product , a new simulator, or whatever. It's an ENTIRELY different situation to sit here and volunteer to create 1700 players from scratch in the next two weeks to get the league underway in a new simulator. It's entirely different to sit down and come up with a FULL proof Consitutional and financial plan that doesn't need MAJOR adjustments every second week of the season in order to function properly. Good luck with that, by the way.
Here are the facts: Our league has been ripped off by SO many other leagues because we have the best product out there, and as a result, have some of the best GMs in North America because of it. It's not happenstance, folks. Good products bring desirable customers (ask anyone involved in other leagues-that typically last a year or two, if they are lucky).
Secondly, the NsHL has gone through an incredibly traumatic offseason with one of the Founding Fathers being down and causing a lot of concern within the BOD. As a result, we are a few months behind and understandably so. Am I blaming a traumatic summer on not persuing the expansion of the NsHL BOD. Absolutely. It's simply going to have to wait until the founding fathers and BOD are prepared to meet and discuss the matter further. We have NEVER made rash decisions, and for God's sake, it took us MONTHS AND MONTHS to create this d**n league, we are NOT going to make decisions shooting from the hip, I am sorry. If you are unable to respect and appreciate that....please find somewhere else to spend your spare time as I believe you to be without a heart and soul.
Thirdly, the NsHL is going through a "Renaissance Period" in which we are attempting to keep things realistic through the addition and subtraction of NHL players. Yes, we designed the league to be a function of itself (it's own entity), and YES that has been absolutely effective. There are players who have become successful as their NHL counterpart has without NEEDING an NHL rerate to get better. There are SO MANY players in the simulator that have mirrored their NHL counterpart (with nothing more than a PDP or two from GOOD GMs) that have made this league it's own entity...and REALISTIC!!! So, becoming our own entity has been a RESOUNDING SUCCESS!!!!
This "Renaissance period" has taken an incredible amount of time as Nate continues to detract and add several hundred players from each lineup as well as to the unassigned list. This is almost the same as creating an entirely new league as EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE SIMULATOR HAS BEEN GONE OVER WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB. It doesn't get any better than this folks.
Lastly, your patience is going to pay off as we will be set to enter the next decade of NsHL with several much needed rules in place, more created players, and a new outlook on a realistic approach to simulation hockey. Remember, players decide to play in Europe all of the time, they choose to retire, and unfortunately some die. Do we want the board of directors making this random for all of you? No.....it needs to be done in accordance with the NHL so that it is fair, correct? That's what we're doing. If you don't like it, tough.. as we canNOT have 4000 players in the NsHL, folks. That's NOT realistic.
Be patient. As I have told a few of you I am REALLY excited about this open market period coming up shortly, as well as this upcoming season. I believe that we are poised to turn this "Renaissance" into the new era of NsHL that will be more efficient, more realistic, and provide the GMs with an even bigger and BETTER "simulation" experience.
Now is NOT the time to question the rock solid foundations of this great league. It is time to be excited for the upcoming open market and the upcoming season. To be quite frank, this thread has been a disappointing read.
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Post by Detroit Cherni on Nov 18, 2008 14:27:52 GMT -5
Well said Mark. I do think it's about time you got off the stool at Thursdays to post on this thread. I am personally for all the changes in the NsHL. I'm excited, as I'm sure a lot of people are.
However, to defend the GM's I have taken the time to speak with, I believe it's more impatience than anything that has anyone a little riled up. That's all. Maybe I'm speaking out of tongue, but that's just my impression.
Just a question though. With the season being delayed, is the schedule going to remain the same with 82 games?
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Post by Carolina GM on Nov 18, 2008 16:02:16 GMT -5
I know I am new and thus it is also important for me to try my best to not lose sight of the tremendous skill, effort and love put in to build the NsHL in to what it has become.
I personally like the direction to a more "realistic" NHL feel, because I want to see what guys would do with the players that are playing in the NHL and not players that only resemble their namesakes in name only.
Change can be scary, but it is necessary as all leagues at every level evolve over time. The trick is to not lose sight of what made the league so good in the first place.
I believe the BOD is doing an excellent job of walking that fine line of evolving the NsHL at a pace we all can live (which means that no one will be completely happy or unhappy).
Finally, I think Dave in Atlanta is right again (doesn't sound right having Dave in Atlanta and think in the same sentence) on some GM's just wanting to get the league going even though they understand that it takes time.
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Post by coloradogm on Nov 18, 2008 17:56:00 GMT -5
Mark,
I meant no disrespect with any of my posts and if I offended you or anyone else I apologize. My suggestion about switching to the other sim product was to make things easier on Nate in the long run as the FHL sim just does not have the support that the other product has.
I don't think anyone that has been in this league for a lengthy period of time will question the amount of work and sacrifice that you have all put into this league. I also think that everyone is totally understanding of the factors that have come into play to slow the league's start down.
With that being said I would not look at this thread in a negative light. I would see it as a positive fashion. The reason this league is as great as it is is because the GMs care so much about the league and are passionate about it, thus the several opinions and comments that were posted in this forum.
The bottom line is that the league is proven, tested, and true. It is something that is special to ALL of us and will only get better with the recent changes. The fact that people are posting and showing that they care IMO just reinforces why this league is so special. Sim leagues come and go (as do GMs) but this league is different (as our most of our GMs) in that this core group of GMs that have been here for several years know how great the league is and will be here for the long haul.
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Post by coloradogm on Nov 18, 2008 18:01:56 GMT -5
BTW, does anyone else think that Dave from Atlanta is the biggest kiss ass in the league?
jk
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Post by Carolina GM on Nov 18, 2008 18:06:17 GMT -5
Dave would comment, but his lips are currently busy. BTW, does anyone else think that Dave from Atlanta is the biggest kiss ass in the league? jk
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Post by coloradogm on Nov 18, 2008 18:52:13 GMT -5
I like Ron more and more with each jab he gives good old Davey boy!
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Post by ottawagm on Nov 18, 2008 20:19:58 GMT -5
Mark, I don't believe that anybody was saying anything negative about the league. What has gone on in this thread has been a case of people becoming aware of issues that might be arising and discussing ways to address the issues.
I also think you misunderstood the idea of moving to a new simulator. We have undergone serious issues that have delayed that start of the season two years in a row with the current simulator. Last year we played without coaches because the sim IS broken. I understand that a tremendous amount of work would be involved in moving to a new sim and thats why nobody expects it to happen overnight. Its something that would have to happen over the course of an offseason. But it would be worthwhile. The sim is deeper, has stronger support and most importantly it isn't BROKEN. The fact that the current sim ate all of the numbers should be reason enough for this to be a topic of discussion.
You also can't say that it would erase the history of the league if we moved to the new sim. We are currently using all of the history in an archive. The career stats function doesn't work so I don't see how moving to the new sim would erase the history. All the old history can be kept in the same archive and when we move to the new sim we start creating a richer and deeper history.
Nobody in this thread is saying the work of the BOD is garbage or the league sucks. But sometimes things just need to evolve and continue to grow. Thats what I would take from this. We don't want to be dinosaurs, we want to grow and make this simulator into a deeper and richer experience. I think you should be proud that you have so many GM's who want to be involved in doing that.
And again, I need to reiterate, I know that everybody who has posted in here is very appreciative of the work that is done. We all just want to be involved so that the workload isn't solely on one or two peoples shoulders and we want to help this league be the best that it can be.
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Post by ottawagm on Nov 18, 2008 20:28:22 GMT -5
As another note... FHL rosters and everything can be directly imported to STHS. So we wouldn't be losing much and it wouldn't take anywhere near as much time as I had initially thought. Source: sths.simont.info/Manual_En.php#Migrate
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Post by coloradogm on Nov 18, 2008 20:32:02 GMT -5
The STHS was created by a former developer of FHL Sim so things would be extremely similar. I know there are some STHS users in this league. Any feedback on the product?
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Post by Detroit Cherni on Nov 18, 2008 20:35:01 GMT -5
I think Dan, Jack, and Trader Rob all need hugs. Ron, time to bring those broad shoulders out.
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