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Roenick
Oct 15, 2007 17:07:14 GMT -5
Post by torontogm on Oct 15, 2007 17:07:14 GMT -5
When players retire from the NHL and come back, they are still bound to the contract they signed. In the NHL, his contract was up. In the NSHL, he is still under contract with Vancvouer; therefore, he shouldn't be a UFA.
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Roenick
Oct 15, 2007 17:35:54 GMT -5
Post by FlyersGM on Oct 15, 2007 17:35:54 GMT -5
When players retire from the NHL and come back, they are still bound to the contract they signed. In the NHL, his contract was up. In the NSHL, he is still under contract with Vancvouer; therefore, he shouldn't be a UFA. This makes sense since Roenick never officially retired from the NHL (filed his retirement papers). I agree with Adriano...Sorry Mike. You know I still love you, I hope Gagne doesn't want 10 million per season now!
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Roenick
Oct 15, 2007 18:05:59 GMT -5
Post by FlyersGM on Oct 15, 2007 18:05:59 GMT -5
On second thought Adriano, Roenick's signing with the Sharks was unpredictable and was not foreseeable in anyway. We all thought he retired based on what he said and his atrocious performance in the NHL. It'd be unfair to say "OK, Mike, you have to take Roenick back after we took him off your roster for retirement". After all, you were the one who signed him to a $6.5 million dollar per season deal. Not Mike.
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Roenick
Oct 15, 2007 18:16:15 GMT -5
Post by Anaheim GM on Oct 15, 2007 18:16:15 GMT -5
This "Roenick issue" is going to be discussed in detail over the next week or so. However, the simulation rules and how our league is conducted makes it very difficult to print policy for players who waffle.
There are several issues that this brings up as many players haven't "officially" announced their retirement, however, have been "retired" from the NsHL due to an absence or a very harsh doctor's report with an extremely poor prognosis.
In the case with Jeremy Roenick there was some ambiguity due to the fact that he had several discussions that led 99% of us that he had played his last NHL game at the end of the 06-07 season.
The goal is to keep the NsHL as realistic to the NHL as we possibly can, however, at times, the simulation game (FHL) that we play makes this a lot more difficult to execute.
This is a case of attempting to plan your team, as is the case with Scott Neidermayer and Teemu Selanne. Teams officially have the option to either play them for one more season hoping either of them plays another game in the NHL (thus allowing them an additional season in the NsHL), or a team has the option of moving on and retiring these players. A personal case of mine involved 79OV Eric Daze, who has been out of the league for an extended absence. Has he signed his retirement papers yet? Has Jason Allison signed his yet?
At the very least, a ruling needs to be made as to how we handle such cases as we have, in the past, allowed the teams the option at doing so.
The BOD currently does NOT execute surprise retirements, however, for the realism of the game, perhaps the league needs to look into this as well.
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Roenick
Oct 15, 2007 18:30:01 GMT -5
Post by Anaheim GM on Oct 15, 2007 18:30:01 GMT -5
P.S. I believe that the issue was handled properly for a simulation league that relies on information only. We can't do physicals, we can't see workouts, and we can't meet with these players one on one. We simply have to go with what we read and that puts us at a disadvantage. This disadvantage currently favors the GMs of the NsHL as they have the option to plan.
Perhaps we can discuss it and come up with a more realistic approach. I.e. Surprise retirements.
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Roenick
Oct 15, 2007 19:53:51 GMT -5
Post by torontogm on Oct 15, 2007 19:53:51 GMT -5
Oh, I don't disagree that Mike didn't sign that large contract, but it he did trade for him and no one knew for sure what Roenick was going to do at that time. Plus, I was just wondering why he was an free agent when he never retired in the first place. From what I read, he was ready to retire, but got a call from the Sharks.
I agree with you though Mark, we should have a more clear understanding of what happens in these cases, so that we'll know what happens when Roenick signs a 2-year contract (pending him still being an FA in the NSHL) and he "retires" next season. ;D
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Roenick
Oct 16, 2007 9:59:55 GMT -5
Post by LAKingsGM on Oct 16, 2007 9:59:55 GMT -5
It's fairly simple in the case of Roenick. He announced his retirement and it was noted in his player profile on tsn.ca. When that happens, the GM, in the case Mike, took a proactive approach and moved to retire him in our game. Based on the information obtained on the tsn.ca website and our committment to realism, he was removed from the game.
When Roenick decided NOT to retire right before the start of the NHL season and signed with San Jose at the league minimum, I realized we were going to have to create him again to put him back in the NsHL for realisms sake.
There were no rules broken, no papers that need to be filed, no nothing of that sort. I appreciate everyone's input on the subject however when he announces his retirement on tsn.ca, he's going to be taken out of the game unless the player is under 35 years of age.
The mere fact that he came back doesn't mean that Mike Henderson was wrong for retiring him ,or the NsHLPA, or the NsHL were wrong based on the information at the time. We were right, and we are right for bringing him back to the NsHL for realisms sake.
Everyone wins.
Nathan Kopsack NsHL Commissioner
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