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Post by ColumbusGM on Feb 20, 2006 11:42:17 GMT -5
What does it take to move up/down in market size? Are teams stuck in the market size we're currently put in?
I imagine teams can move between markets, as the Large market has nobody in it...
Basically: What do I need to do to increase my market size?
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Post by ottawagm on Feb 20, 2006 13:50:23 GMT -5
They will be reviewing that this coming offseason. Based on attendence over the last 3 seasons, your record and several other factors are involved.
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Post by ottawagm on Feb 20, 2006 13:51:03 GMT -5
Ive looked into this as I am hoping the senators can get out of the dreaded small market.
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Post by LAKingsGM on Feb 20, 2006 13:58:17 GMT -5
There are a lot of factors that are involved in it. Winning records, attendance, franchise stability, GM dynamics, etc.
We will look at it this off-season. At the end of the season, those owners who would like to petition the Commissioner's Office for review will have to submit a formal and comprehensive application stating why they feel they should move up in market size. All 30 teams will be reviewed with the adjustments to be made immediately following the NsHL Cup finals.
Nathan Kopsack
NsHL Commissioner
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Post by Anaheim GM on Feb 20, 2006 14:28:45 GMT -5
I wonder if you could e-mail the rest of the league my petition as an example. Not that it is "the model" but perhaps it would give people a good place to start.
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Post by ottawagm on Feb 20, 2006 15:04:11 GMT -5
Yeah, i would like to see that your petition Mark.
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Post by Anaheim GM on Feb 20, 2006 18:47:00 GMT -5
Sent.
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Post by formerDevilsGM on Feb 21, 2006 13:43:51 GMT -5
taking the word Mighty off the team name makes you a bigger market automatically.
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Post by Anaheim GM on Feb 23, 2006 13:29:25 GMT -5
I am hoping that they change the name to something MUCH MUCH tougher...
Like the LA Fairies.
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Post by ex-BluesGM on Feb 23, 2006 13:53:01 GMT -5
I am hoping that they change the name to something MUCH MUCH tougher... Like the LA Fairies. I had heard it was just going to be the ducks...which still isn't exactly tough but its much better...plus for all the bashing one can do related to the disney thing...the Anaheim Duck-billed goalie mask logo is very cool! ON market sizes though.... I don't see why anyone should really ever move up or down a market. Maybe some endorsements can be worked out based on performance (ie: Cup champs get 5mil bonus, top 5% of the league gets 3mil bonus, next 5% gets 2mil or something) cause that would be realistic. IN the sense that succesful teams are more marketable then non-succesful teams (usually) but when it comes down to it the actual markets don't change... THe Rangers will always make money (even under the old system) even when they stink for 7 years in a row because they're in NY, and they don't end up losing endorsements cause the advertisers know they will continue to be profitable. Pitt (for example) will always struggle some, even when they're good because of their small market. Just my opinion if we're going for realism here... |
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Post by Anaheim GM on Feb 23, 2006 14:29:09 GMT -5
Essentially, that is what we are working towards, Gavin, without having to create an entirely new set of endorsements. Your ideas are excellent.
We certainly do understand that there are teams such as Montreal, Toronto, and the New York Rangers, that will always be very large markets. For instance, Anaheim is never going to be a very large market for realistic reasons and the most that one team could swing would be one up and one down.
It is not going to be this free swinging group of teams that are going to be constantly in limbo, to move a market either way is going to take years.
When we sat down and discussed this option it was simply to encourage teams that produce productive teams consistently an added bonus for their dedication.
Teams that have consistently put butts in the stands, have drafted well, and have cultivated their youth (promoted team loyalty and fan loyalty), while producing playoff teams, deserve credit for it even if they are a small market team.
This is a way to create the "Bandwagon effect" when teams are consistently good. When teams do well, the seats are filled (revenue is up). When teams suck, in many markets, ticket sales fall tremendously. This system allows us to filter in a realistic "effect" to supplement ticket sales (or to subtract from them).
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Post by Anaheim GM on Feb 23, 2006 14:39:30 GMT -5
For instance, in the NFL:
Who would argue that the Green Bay Packers are NOT a very large market team. Yet the city of their namesake is only 100,000 fans. Now because ice hockey is not as popular as football there is a direct population base that is reflective on our market sizes.
The Pittsburgh Steelers are a very large market in football, yet a small market in hockey.
I believe the changes to market size provide a much more realistic approach to sports within a particular city, however, may not be completely accurate to ice hockey because of its limited fan base.
The one thing I am certain of: When a team consistently wins, the stands are filled, the merchandise is flying off the shelves, and the team is doing much better fiscally. When a team is doing poorly on a consistent basis, no one buys their hats (unless you are a diehard). We are trying to create that level of realism.
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Post by ex-BluesGM on Feb 23, 2006 15:01:35 GMT -5
Hey I bought my Ranger's 3rd jersey in the height of their recent shizznitty-ness....
Good points all-around Mark....
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Post by ColumbusGM on Feb 23, 2006 15:23:07 GMT -5
I agree, it'd be good to set up financial awards for certain things.
IE:
In the real world, when a team wins the Cup, normally their fans go out and add new memorabilia to their collections. The "Cup Champs 06" sweater, costing them $50 per shirt.
Success is rewarded in a very large way by the fans wanting to show their support, and show their allegiances, and this would be a great way to help the better teams keep a bit of their players, an extra $5,000,000 into the bank will help you retain that Conn Smythe winner.
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