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Post by efischermann (BUF GM) on Jul 8, 2019 15:37:12 GMT -5
Sorry, should have just made one thread, but also will listen to offers on Ryan Callahan's negotiating rights.
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Post by Carolina GM on Jul 8, 2019 16:11:54 GMT -5
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Post by efischermann (BUF GM) on Jul 8, 2019 16:52:18 GMT -5
Nothing that I have been told. Wasn't listed on my retirements.
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Post by Carolina GM on Jul 8, 2019 20:49:10 GMT -5
I’d be surprised that the league would allow a player with an expired contract to stay in the league when he’s 99% sure he’ll never play again. I get it if he still had term on his contract, but this seems like the time that they would dump him.
Unless, they give him a year in the NSHL to match up with the NHL .. because we start players a year after they start in the NHL.
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Post by Winnipeg GM on Jul 8, 2019 20:59:52 GMT -5
I believe if he announced retirement prior to the start of NsHL Free Agency, that he would be removed under the guise of Catastrophic Retirement seeing as he is under the age of 35.
If he does not announce retirement prior to the FA period, I think he could be signed. If he retires after being signed in our league, he would get one year in the NsHL before being retired as he would then be 35.
I THINK this is how it would go.
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Post by Carolina GM on Jul 8, 2019 22:48:10 GMT -5
Many players never officially retire. Hopefully our standards are a bit higher than that.
Callahan is retired, but just not officially. I totally get allowing him to finish his NSHL contract if he had term left.
I remember in the 80’s players that hadn’t played for years would still be available on the waiver wire. It was a running gag.
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Post by Ottawa GM on Jul 8, 2019 23:02:22 GMT -5
Same deal as Nathan Horton
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Post by Carolina GM on Jul 9, 2019 0:22:33 GMT -5
Horton still has term in the contract, but of course he’s retired .. just not officially. I would be surprised if Nathan Horton is allowed to sign another contract after his contract is up .. even though he’s not officially retired. He hasn’t played a game in any league for five years.
To be fair to the league, there is no way they can be expected to be up to date on every player. The only reason I’m talking about Ryan Callahan is because it is a fairly big, recent story.
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Post by Carolina GM on Jul 9, 2019 0:32:42 GMT -5
The problem is with the vast majority of these types of situations the player is not going to OFFICIALLY retire for two big reasons. 1. Why pass up the rest of your contract by retiring if you are not playing because of a long term injury? 2. The team you’re on is generally better off if you don’t retire OFFICIALLY .. because they can put you on LTIR. Luongo was a rare exception to this, but some believe he retired because most of the cap recapture was going to be applied to his old team. So the Panthers saved a lot of possible cap space and don’t have to pay the player. Although some also believe that Luongo will get a cushy job with Florida to make up for any loss of income. I believe if he announced retirement prior to the start of NsHL Free Agency, that he would be removed under the guise of Catastrophic Retirement seeing as he is under the age of 35. If he does not announce retirement prior to the FA period, I think he could be signed. If he retires after being signed in our league, he would get one year in the NsHL before being retired as he would then be 35. I THINK this is how it would go.
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Post by nshlpadirector on Jul 9, 2019 7:16:44 GMT -5
Definitely a topic worth discussing. I tend to agree with Ron on many of the points he has made, however, it requires a certain amount of subjectivity to make these decisions. Something that the NsHL board does not like to do which IS WHY WE HAVE CUT AND DRY RULES BUILT INTO THE CONSTITUTION.
UNDER THE RULE: Ryan Callahan, because of his age (34), is eligible for ONE MORE YEAR OF PLAY. If he were 35 he could be automatically removed from the league due to his NHL situation. That is NOT what we are suggesting here as the plan is to follow our Constitution's rules, of course. He WILL have one more year of eligibility so any team that acquires Ryan will be entitled to the compensation under the Constitution for UFAs released to the open market. If you want to acquire Ryan with the intention of signing him you need to check with his agent first, however, let me save you the time. He will NOT be signing anything ahead of the open market and will be available for all 31 GMs to bid upon when free agency begins in September.
However, with the case of all UFAs that you are looking to acquire, then sign. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS CHECK FIRST WITH THE AGENT TO ENSURE THEY ARE WILLING TO SIGN AHEAD OF THE OPEN MARKET. Why would someone want to sign a contract before seeing what 30 other teams are willing to offer? It does NOT make much sense to sign something early unless the deal is above market value and in a situation that is HIGHLY beneficial to their professional goals. Most of you cheap bastages aren't willing to offer that (because you are very smart and darn good GMs, in fact).
I hope this is clear as clear can be.
If you want to discuss something that requires more subjectivity we are certainly up for discussions, the points are well made and we are ALWAYS striving for a more realistic product. The real question is how do we do it fairly, consistently, and correctly without bias. If you can provide a detailed way of doing so, we are all ears.
As always, great discussion!!!
Mark Kopsack NsHLPA Director
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Post by efischermann (BUF GM) on Jul 9, 2019 8:44:12 GMT -5
Clear as crystal...I was operating under the information I had, which was no one told me he was going to be retired from the league, or be forced to retire in a year since his NHL player still has term left on his contract. Either way, glad there is clarity now.
So if anyone one is in need of money, he can be acquired for the compensation that he would get ($1 million).
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