E-WILDGM
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Post by E-WILDGM on Mar 13, 2012 5:14:25 GMT -5
The Boston Bruins have decided to make each and every player available for trade. The mere asking price for any player will be something along the lines of......twice the price paid for Fritsche. An example of this will look like.....to team abc Claude Giroux..... To bos the top 2 prospects from team abc the first and second round picks of 2012 and 2013 of team abc, the top line center from team abc and the starting goalie of team abc, just to sweeten the pot you can throw in team abc's first born child. Now you can start working the phone lines for deals however be patient as some agents average a 3 to 4 week response time.
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Post by FlyersGM on Mar 14, 2012 3:27:02 GMT -5
Erik,
Resigning RFA's who are excellent NHL rerate candidates is not a top priority for agents or even something we like to do. Maybe it was in YOUR best interest, but it certainly isnt my clients. Welcome to the NSHL.
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Post by Detroit Cherni on Mar 14, 2012 11:12:07 GMT -5
Good to see, Jack, that you're seeing the humour in Erik's post! Well done!
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Post by Anaheim GM on Mar 14, 2012 13:38:33 GMT -5
I don't know about you, Erik, but I wouldn't waste a rerate on Giroux every, really. How much better can he really get? A round or two of PDPs in his scoring and that'll just about do it for Mr. Giroux.
In my opinion, you have got too many other, young players that need rerate attention that will bolster your lineup in a more dramatic way: Hansen, Anisimov, Del Zotto, Ian White.
Just my two cents.
Deals take time to make and especially ones that involve the NsHL (or the NHL's) top talent. If it was easy, everyone could be a GM in the NsHL.
You guys will get it wrapped up. It's tough to be patient sometimes, though, and something that I understand from years and years of doing this.
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Post by FlyersGM on Mar 14, 2012 17:18:50 GMT -5
His SC is only a 73, when his NHL scoring pace more closely reflects a rating of 79 or 80. A lot can happen between now and September or October.
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Post by FlyersGM on Mar 14, 2012 22:54:55 GMT -5
After a few negotiations and some posturing in the media the Bruins and Claude Giroux have reached an agreement on a contract extension.
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Post by Anaheim GM on Mar 15, 2012 12:23:50 GMT -5
My point was this: You don't rerate a player based on one category. You rerate a player because several categories could benefit simultaneously by the comparison between his current stat set and his NHL counterpart.
Giroux is a candidate for PDPs, in my opinion. If you burn a rerate and all you get is 5-8 points in one category it is a total waste. Two rounds of PDPs and you'll get 4. Giroux could be a 77-78 SC by the middle of next year and Jannik Hansen and Mike Del Zotto went from decent players to superb because he spent his rerates properly.
I'm actually explaining this so some of the newer GMs understand how PDPs and rerates benefit you team, not to beat a dead horse or grind an axe with you, Jack. I'm glad points like this are brought up.
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Post by FlyersGM on Mar 15, 2012 18:03:38 GMT -5
No, I understand. My reluctance about such deals with RFA's is that a lot can change between now and November. Within minutes or seconds, you never know in the NsHL plans can very easily change with our long off season.
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Post by Carolina GM on Mar 15, 2012 18:17:30 GMT -5
The rerates kind of alarm me, because if Hansen is being treated as a superb player then how i rate my players comes in to question. He is a very good third line player that has never hit 0.5 points in a season and has yet to come close to hitting 20 goals. Although he is doing reasonably well at 14 in 70 games. When he tries not to do too much offensively and concentrates on using his speed and taking the body he is much more effective. He can move up to a second line or even a third line for short periods, but eventually water finds it's own level and he is used where he is best suited .. and that is as a third liner. Del Zotto is a fine defencemen but rating him in the superstar or excellent range might be a tad premature. Media sometimes goes over board on the superlatives, but in a SIM obviously it is much harder to correct over enthusiastic rerates. Hockey's Future is very unreliable .. some very good writers, but some kinds that are borderline awful. Same goes for some other sources that are out there. I know my two cents aren't appreciated, but do with it what you want. I expect to be flamed so flame away.  |
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Post by torontogm on Mar 15, 2012 18:56:24 GMT -5
Having gone to the Canucks game last night, I can tell you that Jannik Hansen threw two hits in the first period, which were probably the first hits that he's thrown in about 2 months since he decided he was a goal scorer... nice to see that maybe he is back to being that 3rd to 4th line guy Ron's describing, because I would hate to see him rated higher.
As for over-enthusiastic re-rates... meh... that's kinda the point of a sim... rate guys when they have their best season and then build them up... that's how we end up with some of these guys that flame out early that get traded for the outrageous packages to which Erik is referring! We get to create an alternate version of the player if we handled them differently than they were in reality. It's all good. Makes for a much more interesting trade deadline.
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Post by torontogm on Mar 15, 2012 19:01:05 GMT -5
To clarify... not bashing Hansen to run him down - just would hate to see his 14 goals be the focal-point of a re-rate, although I have no reason to believe that they would be - I have no concerns over the quality of re-rates at all. Just saying that Jannik Hansen was a scoring machine through the first couple of months of the season, but he became highly ineffective in the process. I'd much rather have the relentless forecheck and chaos he can create in the opposition's zone. The goals have been a very nice bonus for the guy, but unlikely to be sustained.
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Post by Anaheim GM on Mar 16, 2012 8:52:52 GMT -5
Let me clarify, because you guys enjoy taking a blanket statement and absolutely running with it in the absolute WRONG direction.
Players like Jannick Hansen and Mike Del Zotto on Boston's team would be superb rerates because they would get significantly better holistically. Holistically helping your team is better than rerating a player who gives you 4 or 5 points in one category. Both of these players are marginal help to Boston right now, at best average. Rerating the both of them will put two very capable, NHL ready players in their lineups and that, to me, is a superb move over rating someone who increases 5 points in one category. More than that, players like Artem Anisimov and Ian White also need heavy consideration as both of them are burgeoning, high quality, excellence. If you want to try to convince me that a player like Ian White is not a superb player, than we'll have a fantastic debate. Mike Del Zotto is also a player that is doing a LOT more than simply coming into his own.
I did NOT mean to infer that these players are superb superstars at the end of their rerates in any way, shape or form, however, rerates spent on them would be a superb decision for the greater good of the team. Secondly, I don't do the rerates and have ZERO input in them so my opinion and YOURS, quite frankly, are absolutely meaningless.
Why is it lately, that everything written is hyper analyzed and everyone's two cents become so important to post.
Go write about your team for a change.
The message board TRULY is not fun anymore because of the few. That's something that drastically needs looked at.
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Post by Anaheim GM on Mar 16, 2012 9:02:12 GMT -5
The point to the newer GMs is WRITE ABOUT YOUR PLAYERS AND YOUR TEAM BECAUSE IT DOES YOU WELL IN THE LONG HAUL. You CAN make overachieving players into superstars with positive media.
If you enjoy wasting your time and everyone else's putting in your two cents and creating meaningless controversy, it is absolutely 100% counterproductive.
Spend your rerates wisely to build overall net worth. Using them to increase multiple stat sets is smart. Using them to increase one statistical attribute is not. Use your PDPs responsibly to tweak you lineup to add in areas of weakness.
Some of us are here to help and others are clearly here to hinder.
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Post by Anaheim GM on Mar 16, 2012 9:15:52 GMT -5
The rerates kind of alarm me, because if Hansen is being treated as a superb player then how i rate my players comes in to question. He is a very good third line player that has never hit 0.5 points in a season and has yet to come close to hitting 20 goals. Although he is doing reasonably well at 14 in 70 games. When he tries not to do too much offensively and concentrates on using his speed and taking the body he is much more effective. He can move up to a second line or even a third line for short periods, but eventually water finds it's own level and he is used where he is best suited .. and that is as a third liner. Del Zotto is a fine defencemen but rating him in the superstar or excellent range might be a tad premature. Media sometimes goes over board on the superlatives, but in a SIM obviously it is much harder to correct over enthusiastic rerates. Hockey's Future is very unreliable .. some very good writers, but some kinds that are borderline awful. Same goes for some other sources that are out there. I know my two cents aren't appreciated, but do with it what you want. I expect to be flamed so flame away. Everyone uses the tools that we have in the best way that we know how. Many of us can't get to a game, let alone scout dozens of players so we have to rely on our "scouts (internet tools)" to do so. Undermining them all as a blanket statement is ridiculous and irresponsible. Hockeys future, hockeydb, ISS, Red Line, and others need to be balanced with one's own decision process as they all have EXCELLENT, yet fallible components. I also find it more than annoying with people who like to bring issues to the table, bring problems, bring controversy, and NEVER EVER provide ANYTHING of substance to make an improvement because it is simply of one's opinion. It is already way past old. Keep running your circus, complete with merry-go-round, and allow the rest of us to help those who may want it. |
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Post by Carolina GM on Mar 16, 2012 13:17:47 GMT -5
Oh well, I don't believe anything I said was controversial in any way shape or form. I gave a very accurate scouting report ... you don't have to like it.
This is a GM discussion forum and I was simply discussing something.
I understand my opinions are not appreciated by some.
Cheers,
Ron
P.S. I really like Hansen and hope my Canucks don't trade him.
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